| There’s a new book coming out titled The Coming Insurrection. Anonymous French anarchists who authored this tome advocate the violent destruction of capitalism. I can understand the necessity of force in Europe and Asia , where they’ve dabbled with socialism for the better part of the last century only to realize its failure and demoralization. Decades ago, China began edging its way to capitalism. Germany and Hungary announced tax cuts in an attempt to reverse the damage, paving the way back from the abyss. My question is why would violence be necessary in America ? So many scams, so little time In a mere 130 days into his reign, President Obama has pushed us down the slippery slope of socialism. Here in the good ole’ USA , what we grew up knowing as the land of the free and the home of the brave has abruptly become the mortification of the meek and the manipulated. Capitalism, in a down cycle because of a Democrat Party-induced sub- prime loan scheme, is diminished with every presidential czar, bailout, takeover, crap and charade, car and financial industry takeover. Coming soon to an emergency room near you is a universal health plan that will make you ill and the economy sicker, as it has many Brits and Canadians. In Congress, they’re doing the Emanual pay-for vote. Example in point is the still unread Cap and Trade Bill recently passed by the House. This coal-powered plant killer, promised by Obama and Biden during the campaign, caused push-back by coal-rich Ohio Representative Marcy Kaptur. She didn’t sell out cheap. The Obama administration offered her a $3.5 billion federally tax-funded “program” to give up her principles. The same thing happened time and time again in the form of pork via TARP, budget, and recovery acts. Rumor has it that the Cap and Trade charade has no chance in the senate. With the kind of tactics that transpired in the house and a super majority in the senate with clown senator Al Franken in the mix, its better than even money to pass. Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers! A new and foreboding threat cropped up just yesterday. Following GE’s precedent, Wal-Mart has sold its soul to socialism by signing on with the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) regarding universal health care. By the way, SEIU is a branch that hasn’t fallen too far from its ACORN. How long before Wal-Mart doubles as headquarter central to Obama’s re-election campaign(s)? I can see the ACORN tables set up to register the Wal-Mart masses…over and over again. Other scams:
If Barack is re-elected, the 22nd Amendment will be up for grabs. Obomanites will hatch a “catastrophe” that will make obvious that term limits for this president should be abandoned for the sake of “saving the country.” Then it’ll be El Presidente for life…if Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t anoint himself king first. |
King Obama's Race to a
Socialist Monarchy
Socialist Monarchy
by Dave Weinbaum
Thursday, July 2,, 2009
Thursday, July 2,, 2009
| COMMENTS |
(Dave Weinbaum is a regular contributor of one-liners and commentaries to
many regional and national publications and web sites, including the Reader’s
Digest, National Enquirer and Forbes and is a regular pundit for the www.
jewishworldreview.com Readers can reach Dave at dwquote@prodigy.net or
his websitewww.daveweinbaum.com Listen to the Dave Weinbaum Radio Talk
show on KTTR 99.7 FM and 1490 AM on Friday Mornings starting @ 9:05)
many regional and national publications and web sites, including the Reader’s
Digest, National Enquirer and Forbes and is a regular pundit for the www.
jewishworldreview.com Readers can reach Dave at dwquote@prodigy.net or
his websitewww.daveweinbaum.com Listen to the Dave Weinbaum Radio Talk
show on KTTR 99.7 FM and 1490 AM on Friday Mornings starting @ 9:05)
Ginger Renkin
No one can say enough about this, so please keep talking!
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Thanks Ginger. Say hey to the family.
Pamela Grow
Charade--which you used in your latest column--is a good word. So is mockery, fiasco, absurdity,
lunacy. In biology, if an organism consumes itself, it's called autodigestion.
Sen. Bond's office says he's opposed; McCaskill's office says she's "waiting to see the Senate version
of the bill" (translation: waiting for them to make her an offer.)
For Liberty ,
Pam
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Thanks Pam…the polls they are a moving. Even Liberals are beginning to wake up from their
stupor…2010 elections will be a big test.
James Hallem
Your 3 July column is insightful, and makes sense. But since you are listed as a "comic", why should
you be considered to have any more insight in these matters than "non-comic", or "serious",
contributors?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
James,
Because having a title is overrated. Ideas are king, their creators, commoners.
Thanks for writing.
Don Walker
Perhaps the 22nd Amendment will not need to be repealed. If the administration and congress are
successful in destroying the economy; we will not have a country as we know it. If we cannot stop
this legislation; then we will have effectively surrendered as a country to our government.
Darrell Todd Maurina
Hi, Dave... column and top ten list are posted here:
http://pulaskicountydaily.com/news.php?NewsSectionId=15
I don't know what's causing it, but for some reason your columns have been
getting a larger number of hits recently. I posted this one less than an
hour ago and already more than three dozen people have read it -- that's
more than I usually get for regular news stories in the first hour after I
post them, and to have that on a Saturday morning, something must be making
you popular.
Leave to Uighur, maybe?
Most of the time, your column gets about a hundred readers per week, but
sometimes it's much higher. For example, your "Why is President Obama
dragging us down to oblivion?" column got 711 readers. That's not bad,
considering that my average daily readership last month was 603 people,
about the same as the Waynesville Daily Guide's paid subscription list.
For comparison purposes, a typical headline news story will gather 500 to
1000 readers, with the most important stories (such as the drunk driver who
killed a Waynesville coach) getting about 3,000 readers. Opinion pieces
usually get lower readership, but that's not always the case with a hot
topic -- and you seem to be good at picking hot topics.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Thanks Darrell,
Glad you're getting your money's worth. :>)
Dave
Arlene
Hello Dave,the last three columns were enlightening for those who still
believe the Won has it all together.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Great to here from you Arlene!
Thanks!
OldProf
Wow! This one should bring them out from under the rocks. You should have put check boxes by
each scam so that I could give myself a 'sedition score.' The good thing about these comments is that
they are not fully anonymous, should the scores get too high.
nifong
Awesome piece Dave!
Some of your points are opinions, but most are simply factual. I hope the citizens of the USA will
pull the wool (possibly turbans) away from their eyes to see the railroad job that is happening.
You forgot to mention how OBAMA lied to voters regarding taxing healthcare provided by
employers. He said all through the campain that he would not do this. Now there is gonna be a 'cap'
on how much employers can spend tax free. I am sure even small businesses will reach the 'cap' easily.
There is one thing I hate more than a thief-- a lying thief!
aselene
'My question is why would violence be necessary in America?'
That would be a good question to pose to your compatriots on the right. Fox News pundits openly
incite their viewers to sedition. Conservative terrorists gun down physicians, shoot up churches, and
murder cops. The governor of Texas and the legislature of Montana advocate civil war. Why do
America's conservative enemies think violence is necessary here?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Prof,
Thanks...I think.
Nifong,
Thanks...I know.
The column is appearing in a lot of websites on the net, and I'm getting some interesting response
from JWR readers. As to the amt of scandals...well let's just say they only give me so much space to
write!
Dave
nifong
aselene,
I would be courious to see a survey in our jails and prisons asking them which political party they
most agree with. I would bet an overwhelming majority would be Democratic. If I am right then your
assertion that violence is associated with right wing politics would be proven false. And in fact, then
violence would be asseciated with left wing politics.
I do not agree that violence is always the answer but sometimes it is the only way to solve the
problem.
I do not align with a political party. I don't like parts of both. If I could have my own political party
it woud be named The Party of Accountability and Responsibility. If you don't work, you don't eat. If
you steal peoples money you spend the rest of your life working to pay them back. No finger
pointing and passing the buck. The only rights you have are the ones for which you accept the
applicable responsibilites for. No getting something for nothing. If you are blessed with plenty then
give those less fortunate a hand up not a hand out. Living in this country is not a right, it is a
priviledge.
OldProf
nifong
Our prisons seem to be filled with uneducated, drug addicted, amoral, impoverished products of
dysfunctional minority families. The closest to families they have seems to be organized gangs within
prison walls. I can't imagine they voted before their incarceration. The recidivism rate suggests that
rehabilitation efforts are generally doomed to failure. Teach them the ways of righteousness when
they are young and they will not stray, provided they have meaningful work as adults.
aselene
'And in fact, then violence would be asseciated with left wing politics [sic].'
Incorrect. Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve political, religious, or
other ideological goals by non-state actors. The Virginia Tech shooter was depraved, insane, and evil,
but has rarely if ever been called a terrorist in mainstream sources. The reason is because he wasn't
motivated by ideology. When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah building, that was terrorism,
because he had an ideological motivation.
It's possible that a lot of people in prison agree with left-wing politics, if they are sophisticated
enough to be at all political. But their crimes are not typically motivated by their politics. Their
crimes are usually fueled by drugs, money, or general sociopathy. By contrast, in the last two decades,
there has been a *lot* of violence perpetrated by far-right ideologues to further their political
agendas. And signs indicate that that violence is increasing under the Obama administration.
As far as these Euro-anarchists and their silly book go, nobody on the American left will take them
seriously. The 60's are long gone. American progressives have shaken off their coils of overthrowing
by force capitalism or the American government. When it comes to political violence, to the
American right I say, paraphrasing Christ: remove the beam from thine own eye before criticizing
the speck in thy neighbor's eye.
nifong
What motivates one to kill and steal and how well educated thay are was not my point. The point is
that most behind bars would admit to supporting the left. Pointing fingers and trying to put blame
onto a political party for such horrible acts is juvenile.
I know how this problem could be solved. Have the chosen one create another czar bypassing any
comfirmation process and anoint them with power. What a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA has put himself in a most difficult position regarding Iran. He argued throughout the pres.
race that diplomacy with rogue nations such as Iran was the answer. Now that Hockmadinajod (sorry
for the spelling but you know who I mean) has invited OBAMA to a public debate, OBAMA is
screwed no matter what he does or does not do. If he accepts he is not going to be able to change the
views of the radical Muslims because the only thing they understand is being punched in the mouth (
just ask Khadafi ). If he declines then he will continue to lie and decieve ( that is what got him elected
) and puss out.
Makes me proud to be an American with a leader like OBAMA! For those of you that are not street
smart that was sarchasm.
aselene
'The point is that most behind bars would admit to supporting the left.'
I'm not sure that's true. Prisons are famous for their white supremacist populations, a conservative
constituency. The prisoners you have in mind, by contrast, are largely apolitical. In any event, you're
speculating. To my knowledge, Gallup doesn't survey the prisons.
'Pointing fingers and trying to put blame onto a political party for such horrible acts is juvenile.'
I agree. Which is why I did no such thing. You, however, did. I pointed out, correctly, that politically
motivated violence in the United States is a primarily right-wing problem. This owes in part to
violent, evil rhetoric by the conservative punditocracy. The rhetoric is intentionally aimed at stirring
up violence, and it is working.
Responsible conservatives have a moral and patriotic duty to call out, demonstrate against, and
boycott all those responsible for the violent tone of conservative rhetoric in today's politics. To
date, if there are any responsible conservatives, they are failing those duties miserably.
I've yet to see or hear a single conservative commentator denounce Bill O'Reilly, for example, for his
incitement to the murder of Dr. George Tiller. Not a single one. Fox News hasn't pulled him from the
air. Sponsors haven't pulled their ads. Instead, the right circled the wagons and rallied to his defense.
O'Reilly's ratings are as high as ever, and he's still on the air.
These are, of course, the expressions of the impotent rage of an angry right, which has successfully
discredited itself for the next generation of American politics. Incompetent to prevail at the ballot
box, conservatives are consigned to sputter venom as they gun down themselves and others in their
final blazes of fantasized glory. They imagine they're helping their cause. But they couldn't be more
wrong. Every time their guns smoke, they condemn the right to a few more years of electoral
oblivion.
OldProf
Shall we all agree to use capitals: the Left (liberals) and the Right (conservatives). This will avoid
some potential confusion. I did understand the point of view of the commenter's above. I wish I had
more confidence in the Libertarians. I am afraid their obsession with low taxes will leave the streets
unpaved, the schools underfunded, the hospitals worse than ever, and not enough money for National
defense. I will keep reading. It would certainly be more difficult to just print money, thus fueling
inflation, if the currency was based on something of value: Gold, silver, Uranium, diamonds, gasoline
in the Strategic Reserve. Inflation is inevitable in the face of dwindling resources. Pray for our
Grandchildren. P.S. Using the spell checker (ABC|/ in the toolbar, makes your comment more
powerful when the spelling is correct. Certainly helps me with my typos..
nifong
aselene,
I am conservative and probably right wing in your eyes. I have not and never will condone some of
the radical acts that you listed. Just because I disagree with you does not make me a white supremacist
or radical. It makes you uncomfortable when concerned citizens like me can defend our beliefs with
facts and substance.
Politicaly motivated violence? What about the Black Panthers intimidating voters at the polls. Oh,
my bad. That is what they do every day, walk the streets with Louisville sluggers and spill kindness in
the community. Yes, I know I can hear the race card about to hit the table.
shorttimer
Dave I have never seen anyone twist facts to fit their point of view better than you. You and
O'Reilly must be related as he does the same thing. As an example you call Judge Sotomayor a racist
and fault her because she was overturned on her ruling on a case that from what I understand in my
reading was one where she upheld the ruling of a lower court and so what, all judges are at one time or
another are overturned. My reading of her background tells me she has ruled about 80% in favor of
the cases from minorities brought to her court. Where do you get this racist crap anyway, she belongs
to a minority group. This is a free country and we believe in freedom of speech and the press and I
believe in your right to state your opinion but your opinion is one thing and changing facts to suit
your point of view is another. It is time to realize that the election proved that the majority of
people agreed with the Democrats - you lost get over it.
aselene
'It makes you uncomfortable when concerned citizens like me can defend our beliefs with facts and
substance.'
Typical conservative. Unable to respond to the substance of my argument, you instead attack me
personally. No need to apologize. I'm used to such conduct from the shady characters who try to
defend the debacle that is the right wing of American politics.
But seriously. The Black Panthers? Would you care to reference a left wing group that has been
active sometime this millenium? Do you wear bell bottoms and dance disco too? I guess this IS Rolla.
What makes YOU uncomfortable is the simple truths that at this time, a) American political
violence is a predominantly right-wing problem, and b) that owes at least in part to the nasty rhetoric
of the right's leaders. You can try to deflect those realities if you want. They won't change. Most
Americans understand them to be true. And they're costing the right.
Maybe, instead of denying that 30 years of liberal bashing as a multi-billion dollar industry have had
any impact on the psyche of Joe Sixpack, it would be more productive, patriotic, and moral of you to
write a letter to Fox News, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh telling them that their
words have consequence, and that they ought to tone it down.
But then, personal responsibility has never been the strong point of a conservative, has it?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
My, my MY! I go to play golf in Mountain Grove with my fellow franchisee and YOU guys got
BUZEEE!!!!
I'll respond when I'm done paying my dues to my wifey for a day of competition and fun away from
her.
Dave
nifong
Shorttimer,
It all comes out in the wash. I bet you will not have the guts to stand up and say the same in 4 yrs
from now. Most Americans have common sense.
shorttimer
nifong. I agree, most Americans have common sense and USE it and that is why they rejected the
policies of the past 8 years and voted for a change. Yes, I will have the guts to stand up in 4 years and
if Obama fails I will say so. We are moving into changes that may or may not work but at least
Obama is working hard to bring about changes that will benefit all not just a few - for gods sake give
the man a chance. I did not vote for Bush either time but at least I gave him one term to show his
stuff and I did not like what I saw. I will now ask you, will you have the guts to stand up and say he
was right if his policies turn out to be right?
nifong
shorty,
Absolutely I will stand up and say OBAMA was right. I did give him a chance and he did not keep his
word on many promises he made. He is the typical politician, not standing up for what is best for our
country, instead riding the wave of popularity. I respect the views from the other side but detest being
lied to.
Oh, by the way I was very disappointed with W and not afraid to stand up and say that too!
shorttimer
nifong, we are getting very close to agreeing on things. This is scary. Have a nice day
craigeryjohn
Matthew 25:31-46
That's all I have to say.
shorttimer
Since I don't have a bible handy, I have no idea what that says.
Paperpuncher
shorttimer,
All you have to do is google it. I did your homework for you, and here is a website address with the
exact scripture taken from the Bible.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 25:31-46&version=49
Enjoy!
aselene
What this has to do with the thread is unclear to me. But here it is.
The Sheep and the Goats
31'When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in
heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one
from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right
and the goats on his left.
34'Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your
inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and
you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and
you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was
in prison and you came to visit me.'
37'Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and
give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes
and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40'The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
mine, you did for me.'
41'Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire
prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was
thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed
clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44'They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing
clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45'He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did
not do for me.'
46'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'
OldProf
Now that is a progressive point of view, straight from the Bible. I guess that is about as pure socialism
as one could state.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Shorty,
'wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better
conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.' Sonia Sotomayor. She has said this on a
number of occasions. Even President Obama has commented that she may have wanted to choose her
words better.
Don't think it's racist or sexist? Just substiture 'white man' where it says Latina woman and 'Black
woman' where it says white male.
There's no opinion needed here. She stands by her statements. She's a racist sexist.
Dave
OldProf
Let me try again. Sorry if this is a duplicate.
What a progressive statement, and from the Bible as well. I couldn't state the good intentions of
socialism better if I tried. Not a word about personal effort or ability on the part of the 'least of these
brothers.' I guess I don't understand the hard line taken by the conservatives at the far RIght. Aren't
they supposed to be more compasionate and Christian than this old heathen?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Aselene,
Seems the Black Panthers are eager to make themselves relevent again. Look at this video and know
that these same Panthers admitted guilt but Obama's AG Eric Holder dropped the case. A liberal civil
rights attorney, who witnessed the event said it was the most blatant voter intimidation crime he's
ever seen, and he goes way back.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=213103
I've yet to see or hear a single conservative commentator denounce Bill O'Reilly, for example, for his
incitement to the murder of Dr. George Tiller.
If a O'Reilly commited a crime, then why isn't he being prosecuted. While I think the killing of Dr.
Tiller was wrong, I don't see how O'reilly is culpable by reporting that Dr. Tilly killed viable babies for
money. He late-term aborted 60,000 babies for about $5,000 each some with absolutely rediculous
reasons, made or real.
Just think, Aselene, if YOUR Mom had sought out Dr. Tiller, we wouldn't be having this
conversation, would we?
Dave
PS. Think O'Reilly committed a crime? MAKE A CITIZENS ARREST!
craigeryjohn
Old Prof...my thoughts exactly over the last 10 years or so....
aselene
Quick! Notify Homeland Security! There are black men at the polls!
Ya got me. Looks like the BP are still active after all. Let me know when they start blowing up
federal buildings, burning down churches, and shooting up churches. My point stands unrebutted. In
America, politically motivated violence is a predominantly right-wing problem.
I never said Bill O'Reilly committed a crime. He is a despicable man, a sociopath, utterly without
conscience, and an advocate and supporter of terrorism. He intentionally incited his viewers to
murder, and his incitements paid off. But he stopped just short of committing a crime. He is an
irresponsible broadcaster, and a disgrace to journalism. But he is not technically a criminal.
That the right is okay with O'Reilly's conduct in the Tiller case shows just how far it has sunk, and
the extent to which conservatives find acceptable the atmosphere of terroristic violence their pundit
class is deliberately fomenting. Truly, those on the right who fail to oppose their pundits' bombastic
rhetoric are failing their country, and their purported morals. Violent words lead to violent actions.
Violent conservative rhetoric is as worthy a moral issue as abortion, terrorism, or torture.
aselene
'Now that is a progressive point of view, straight from the Bible. I guess that is about as pure
socialism as one could state.'
Notice too how it even refers to having 'nations' before God. Providing for the poor, and kindness to
prisoners is a *national* duty, not just a matter of personal responsibility, as those on the right would
have us believe.
I care
Well, this is a hot one and should go far!!!! There are many and varied 'opinions', also many 'facts'
put forth in this one; Dave, I do agree with some of your comments, mostly but not all, and a lot of
facts set forth by you and others, and I too vied to give Obama a chance since I certainly did not
want to watch the complete destruction of our Great Country, AMERICA, by anyone else like we had
the last 8 years because Obama's opponent would have finished us off entirely, which, by the way, is
MY opinion, so I think I will just take a standby for a while and see just what happens----this one is P
R E T T Y D E E P!!!!!!!!!! Dave and all the rest of you 'commenters' have a good time and a good
week----bye for now!!!
klank75
i like your last article about hot dogs...mmmmmm hot dogs.......lol.... i will stay in prayer for are
nation and its leaders, no matter their party lines or what is being slung around the media, whethers
its fact and/or crap. 1 timothy 2:1-3 google it.... God bless everyone
shorttimer
aselene I completely agree with you. O'Reilly and those like him are despicable and the words they use
may not be criminal but they are morally criminal and destructive in nature.
I think it is time for the Rolla Daily News to put a little fairness into these columns and have a
weekly commentary from a Liberal. All we get now is the conservative point of view which is always
a blast at the Democrats. If there are two directions to go it would not matter one bit which one
Obama took, Dave would find fault and only because Obama is a Democrat.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
'commentator denounce Bill O'Reilly, for example, for his incitement to the murder of Dr. George
Tiller.'
Aselene,
The above comments are an accusation of a conspiracy to commit murder. You already accused
O'Reilly of a crime. Let's see you put your money where your mouth is and bring charges.
As to the Tiller family, this could be their case against O'Reilly and all the others that reported Tiller
as a 'baby killer.' The problem is that the ultimate defense is the truth and that's exacty what Tiller
did.
'If the Tiller family wants to continue the service to women that George Tiller lived and died for,
they might want to consider a wrongful death civil suit against O'Reilly et. al. and the deep pockets of
FOX and its Aussie master.'
Can't WAIT to see this trial and the relevation of how evil this SOB was.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
'I think it is time for the Rolla Daily News to put a little fairness into these columns and have a
weekly commentary from a Liberal. All we get now is the conservative point of view which is always
a blast at the Democrats. If there are two directions to go it would not matter one bit which one
Obama took, Dave would find fault and only because Obama is a Democrat.'
Fine with me on the first part. I keep looking for some good liberal writers on an international basis.
I'm aquainted with Juan Williams and think he's a nice guy, but I feel confident I could beat him in a
debate, written or otherwise.
My complaint(s) about Obama isn't that he's a Dem, it's that he's a socialist, and socialism has
NEVER worked.
When I thought Bush or McCain were wrong, I wrote about it.
Yeah, bring in a lib writer that can write once a week about notional and international issues. I'd love
it!
BTW., 95% of the callers on my radio show Fridays @ 9:05 AM on 99.7 are like minded although I
BEG libs to call me and show me where I'm wrong.
Whether you like it or not, I know what I'm about and that's in looking for the truth whereever it
comes from.
Dave
aselene
'The above comments are an accusation of a conspiracy to commit murder. You already accused
O'Reilly of a crime.'
That isn't true. The law of conspiracy requires an agreement between two actors to further a common
criminal purpose. I have not accused Mr. O'Reilly of agreeing with anyone to further any criminal
purpose. What's more, I was perfectly clear that Mr. O'Reilly stopped just short of technically
committing any crime. Having reviewed his conduct closely, I have zero doubt, none, that he
consulted closely with lawyers to toe the line as closely as possible to maximize the risk to Mr.
Tiller's life while minimizing his own and Fox's legal liability. It was cowardly, it was evil, and those
who defend it manifest a serious defect of character.
While I don't believe a criminal case could be made against O'Reilly, if Mr. Roeder ever admits he got
information about Mr. Tiller's whereabouts from O'Reilly's program, then I do believe that a strong
case could be made for wrongful death against O'Reilly and Fox News. While under current law it
would be a losing case, I would like to see it litigated, and I would like to see current law revised to
clarify the obligations of broadcasters when it comes to singling out private individuals, broadcasting
their personal information, and repeatedly attacking them with inflammatory rhetoric. A just legal
system would take away from Mr. O'Reilly everything he ever has made, and everything he will ever
possibly make, and give it to Mr. Tiller's family.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Do you think you might have anything left for the 60,000, yeah Aselene, that's right, the 60,000
babies Tiller had killed for $5000 a pop? And I say killed because the vast majority were late term
abortions capable of living on their own.
Gee, what if YOUR mom had gone to see Tiller? What would you think of THAT Aselene?
Still waiting your comment to the above.
What hypocritical nonesense.
I still say incitinf someone to murder another is a crime, but I could be wrong. Let's ask a prosecutor
or a judge. is there one in the audience? Care to clarify?
Dave
nifong
I ask all to do some research on late term abortion. If anyone is ok with it after learning what the
procedure consists of then I pray for them. Tiller is dead. It all comes out in the wash.
NO! I don't agree with the murder of Tiller, aselene. But what comes around goes around. God has his
own way of doing the wash even though it is hard to understand or accept. Any of us in this discussion
could die and not wake up tomorrow if it is God's plan, like it or not.
Paperpuncher
aselene,
Why are you so bent on trying O'Reilly for supposedly causing the death of Dr. Tiller? Why are you
championing for him? Where were you (for the 60,000 innocent babies) Dr. Tiller murdered? Why
didn't/won't you champion for them? HUH?!?
And I will put to you, your very own words, ' It was cowardly, it was evil, and those who defend it
manifest a serious defect of character. ' AND I will ad, a serious defect of morality for you to ignore
the murders and allow your champion Dr. Tiller to perform such heinous, depraved acts of evil!
OldProf
In general I am against abortion. I am also strongly against unwanted pregnancy. At one extreme I
don't think the woman has to carry a fetus to term as the result of criminal rape, or forced incest. I
don't see abstinence as effective. Promiscuity doesn't contribute much to the stability of society. At
the other extreme, if murmurs of 'I love you' in the back seat of a parked car result in pregnancy,
then live up to your promise, man up and get married, and be the best father and mother you possibly
can. Very large families of wanted and loved children are okay by me, just be satisfied with the level
of care you can provide.
Since Dr. Tiller did not invade homes and murder those unborn persons, I guess the mothers (and
possibly fathers) had reasons for the termination and gave their permission. They went to Dr. Tiller
for a currently legal process. Not actually being the right arm of God, I don't hear voices telling me to
murder doctors performing legal actions, however much I personally am concerned about very late
term abortion.
No one can say enough about this, so please keep talking!
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Thanks Ginger. Say hey to the family.
Pamela Grow
Charade--which you used in your latest column--is a good word. So is mockery, fiasco, absurdity,
lunacy. In biology, if an organism consumes itself, it's called autodigestion.
Sen. Bond's office says he's opposed; McCaskill's office says she's "waiting to see the Senate version
of the bill" (translation: waiting for them to make her an offer.)
For Liberty ,
Pam
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Thanks Pam…the polls they are a moving. Even Liberals are beginning to wake up from their
stupor…2010 elections will be a big test.
James Hallem
Your 3 July column is insightful, and makes sense. But since you are listed as a "comic", why should
you be considered to have any more insight in these matters than "non-comic", or "serious",
contributors?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
James,
Because having a title is overrated. Ideas are king, their creators, commoners.
Thanks for writing.
Don Walker
Perhaps the 22nd Amendment will not need to be repealed. If the administration and congress are
successful in destroying the economy; we will not have a country as we know it. If we cannot stop
this legislation; then we will have effectively surrendered as a country to our government.
Darrell Todd Maurina
Hi, Dave... column and top ten list are posted here:
http://pulaskicountydaily.com/news.php?NewsSectionId=15
I don't know what's causing it, but for some reason your columns have been
getting a larger number of hits recently. I posted this one less than an
hour ago and already more than three dozen people have read it -- that's
more than I usually get for regular news stories in the first hour after I
post them, and to have that on a Saturday morning, something must be making
you popular.
Leave to Uighur, maybe?
Most of the time, your column gets about a hundred readers per week, but
sometimes it's much higher. For example, your "Why is President Obama
dragging us down to oblivion?" column got 711 readers. That's not bad,
considering that my average daily readership last month was 603 people,
about the same as the Waynesville Daily Guide's paid subscription list.
For comparison purposes, a typical headline news story will gather 500 to
1000 readers, with the most important stories (such as the drunk driver who
killed a Waynesville coach) getting about 3,000 readers. Opinion pieces
usually get lower readership, but that's not always the case with a hot
topic -- and you seem to be good at picking hot topics.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Thanks Darrell,
Glad you're getting your money's worth. :>)
Dave
Arlene
Hello Dave,the last three columns were enlightening for those who still
believe the Won has it all together.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Great to here from you Arlene!
Thanks!
OldProf
Wow! This one should bring them out from under the rocks. You should have put check boxes by
each scam so that I could give myself a 'sedition score.' The good thing about these comments is that
they are not fully anonymous, should the scores get too high.
nifong
Awesome piece Dave!
Some of your points are opinions, but most are simply factual. I hope the citizens of the USA will
pull the wool (possibly turbans) away from their eyes to see the railroad job that is happening.
You forgot to mention how OBAMA lied to voters regarding taxing healthcare provided by
employers. He said all through the campain that he would not do this. Now there is gonna be a 'cap'
on how much employers can spend tax free. I am sure even small businesses will reach the 'cap' easily.
There is one thing I hate more than a thief-- a lying thief!
aselene
'My question is why would violence be necessary in America?'
That would be a good question to pose to your compatriots on the right. Fox News pundits openly
incite their viewers to sedition. Conservative terrorists gun down physicians, shoot up churches, and
murder cops. The governor of Texas and the legislature of Montana advocate civil war. Why do
America's conservative enemies think violence is necessary here?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Prof,
Thanks...I think.
Nifong,
Thanks...I know.
The column is appearing in a lot of websites on the net, and I'm getting some interesting response
from JWR readers. As to the amt of scandals...well let's just say they only give me so much space to
write!
Dave
nifong
aselene,
I would be courious to see a survey in our jails and prisons asking them which political party they
most agree with. I would bet an overwhelming majority would be Democratic. If I am right then your
assertion that violence is associated with right wing politics would be proven false. And in fact, then
violence would be asseciated with left wing politics.
I do not agree that violence is always the answer but sometimes it is the only way to solve the
problem.
I do not align with a political party. I don't like parts of both. If I could have my own political party
it woud be named The Party of Accountability and Responsibility. If you don't work, you don't eat. If
you steal peoples money you spend the rest of your life working to pay them back. No finger
pointing and passing the buck. The only rights you have are the ones for which you accept the
applicable responsibilites for. No getting something for nothing. If you are blessed with plenty then
give those less fortunate a hand up not a hand out. Living in this country is not a right, it is a
priviledge.
OldProf
nifong
Our prisons seem to be filled with uneducated, drug addicted, amoral, impoverished products of
dysfunctional minority families. The closest to families they have seems to be organized gangs within
prison walls. I can't imagine they voted before their incarceration. The recidivism rate suggests that
rehabilitation efforts are generally doomed to failure. Teach them the ways of righteousness when
they are young and they will not stray, provided they have meaningful work as adults.
aselene
'And in fact, then violence would be asseciated with left wing politics [sic].'
Incorrect. Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve political, religious, or
other ideological goals by non-state actors. The Virginia Tech shooter was depraved, insane, and evil,
but has rarely if ever been called a terrorist in mainstream sources. The reason is because he wasn't
motivated by ideology. When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah building, that was terrorism,
because he had an ideological motivation.
It's possible that a lot of people in prison agree with left-wing politics, if they are sophisticated
enough to be at all political. But their crimes are not typically motivated by their politics. Their
crimes are usually fueled by drugs, money, or general sociopathy. By contrast, in the last two decades,
there has been a *lot* of violence perpetrated by far-right ideologues to further their political
agendas. And signs indicate that that violence is increasing under the Obama administration.
As far as these Euro-anarchists and their silly book go, nobody on the American left will take them
seriously. The 60's are long gone. American progressives have shaken off their coils of overthrowing
by force capitalism or the American government. When it comes to political violence, to the
American right I say, paraphrasing Christ: remove the beam from thine own eye before criticizing
the speck in thy neighbor's eye.
nifong
What motivates one to kill and steal and how well educated thay are was not my point. The point is
that most behind bars would admit to supporting the left. Pointing fingers and trying to put blame
onto a political party for such horrible acts is juvenile.
I know how this problem could be solved. Have the chosen one create another czar bypassing any
comfirmation process and anoint them with power. What a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA has put himself in a most difficult position regarding Iran. He argued throughout the pres.
race that diplomacy with rogue nations such as Iran was the answer. Now that Hockmadinajod (sorry
for the spelling but you know who I mean) has invited OBAMA to a public debate, OBAMA is
screwed no matter what he does or does not do. If he accepts he is not going to be able to change the
views of the radical Muslims because the only thing they understand is being punched in the mouth (
just ask Khadafi ). If he declines then he will continue to lie and decieve ( that is what got him elected
) and puss out.
Makes me proud to be an American with a leader like OBAMA! For those of you that are not street
smart that was sarchasm.
aselene
'The point is that most behind bars would admit to supporting the left.'
I'm not sure that's true. Prisons are famous for their white supremacist populations, a conservative
constituency. The prisoners you have in mind, by contrast, are largely apolitical. In any event, you're
speculating. To my knowledge, Gallup doesn't survey the prisons.
'Pointing fingers and trying to put blame onto a political party for such horrible acts is juvenile.'
I agree. Which is why I did no such thing. You, however, did. I pointed out, correctly, that politically
motivated violence in the United States is a primarily right-wing problem. This owes in part to
violent, evil rhetoric by the conservative punditocracy. The rhetoric is intentionally aimed at stirring
up violence, and it is working.
Responsible conservatives have a moral and patriotic duty to call out, demonstrate against, and
boycott all those responsible for the violent tone of conservative rhetoric in today's politics. To
date, if there are any responsible conservatives, they are failing those duties miserably.
I've yet to see or hear a single conservative commentator denounce Bill O'Reilly, for example, for his
incitement to the murder of Dr. George Tiller. Not a single one. Fox News hasn't pulled him from the
air. Sponsors haven't pulled their ads. Instead, the right circled the wagons and rallied to his defense.
O'Reilly's ratings are as high as ever, and he's still on the air.
These are, of course, the expressions of the impotent rage of an angry right, which has successfully
discredited itself for the next generation of American politics. Incompetent to prevail at the ballot
box, conservatives are consigned to sputter venom as they gun down themselves and others in their
final blazes of fantasized glory. They imagine they're helping their cause. But they couldn't be more
wrong. Every time their guns smoke, they condemn the right to a few more years of electoral
oblivion.
OldProf
Shall we all agree to use capitals: the Left (liberals) and the Right (conservatives). This will avoid
some potential confusion. I did understand the point of view of the commenter's above. I wish I had
more confidence in the Libertarians. I am afraid their obsession with low taxes will leave the streets
unpaved, the schools underfunded, the hospitals worse than ever, and not enough money for National
defense. I will keep reading. It would certainly be more difficult to just print money, thus fueling
inflation, if the currency was based on something of value: Gold, silver, Uranium, diamonds, gasoline
in the Strategic Reserve. Inflation is inevitable in the face of dwindling resources. Pray for our
Grandchildren. P.S. Using the spell checker (ABC|/ in the toolbar, makes your comment more
powerful when the spelling is correct. Certainly helps me with my typos..
nifong
aselene,
I am conservative and probably right wing in your eyes. I have not and never will condone some of
the radical acts that you listed. Just because I disagree with you does not make me a white supremacist
or radical. It makes you uncomfortable when concerned citizens like me can defend our beliefs with
facts and substance.
Politicaly motivated violence? What about the Black Panthers intimidating voters at the polls. Oh,
my bad. That is what they do every day, walk the streets with Louisville sluggers and spill kindness in
the community. Yes, I know I can hear the race card about to hit the table.
shorttimer
Dave I have never seen anyone twist facts to fit their point of view better than you. You and
O'Reilly must be related as he does the same thing. As an example you call Judge Sotomayor a racist
and fault her because she was overturned on her ruling on a case that from what I understand in my
reading was one where she upheld the ruling of a lower court and so what, all judges are at one time or
another are overturned. My reading of her background tells me she has ruled about 80% in favor of
the cases from minorities brought to her court. Where do you get this racist crap anyway, she belongs
to a minority group. This is a free country and we believe in freedom of speech and the press and I
believe in your right to state your opinion but your opinion is one thing and changing facts to suit
your point of view is another. It is time to realize that the election proved that the majority of
people agreed with the Democrats - you lost get over it.
aselene
'It makes you uncomfortable when concerned citizens like me can defend our beliefs with facts and
substance.'
Typical conservative. Unable to respond to the substance of my argument, you instead attack me
personally. No need to apologize. I'm used to such conduct from the shady characters who try to
defend the debacle that is the right wing of American politics.
But seriously. The Black Panthers? Would you care to reference a left wing group that has been
active sometime this millenium? Do you wear bell bottoms and dance disco too? I guess this IS Rolla.
What makes YOU uncomfortable is the simple truths that at this time, a) American political
violence is a predominantly right-wing problem, and b) that owes at least in part to the nasty rhetoric
of the right's leaders. You can try to deflect those realities if you want. They won't change. Most
Americans understand them to be true. And they're costing the right.
Maybe, instead of denying that 30 years of liberal bashing as a multi-billion dollar industry have had
any impact on the psyche of Joe Sixpack, it would be more productive, patriotic, and moral of you to
write a letter to Fox News, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh telling them that their
words have consequence, and that they ought to tone it down.
But then, personal responsibility has never been the strong point of a conservative, has it?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
My, my MY! I go to play golf in Mountain Grove with my fellow franchisee and YOU guys got
BUZEEE!!!!
I'll respond when I'm done paying my dues to my wifey for a day of competition and fun away from
her.
Dave
nifong
Shorttimer,
It all comes out in the wash. I bet you will not have the guts to stand up and say the same in 4 yrs
from now. Most Americans have common sense.
shorttimer
nifong. I agree, most Americans have common sense and USE it and that is why they rejected the
policies of the past 8 years and voted for a change. Yes, I will have the guts to stand up in 4 years and
if Obama fails I will say so. We are moving into changes that may or may not work but at least
Obama is working hard to bring about changes that will benefit all not just a few - for gods sake give
the man a chance. I did not vote for Bush either time but at least I gave him one term to show his
stuff and I did not like what I saw. I will now ask you, will you have the guts to stand up and say he
was right if his policies turn out to be right?
nifong
shorty,
Absolutely I will stand up and say OBAMA was right. I did give him a chance and he did not keep his
word on many promises he made. He is the typical politician, not standing up for what is best for our
country, instead riding the wave of popularity. I respect the views from the other side but detest being
lied to.
Oh, by the way I was very disappointed with W and not afraid to stand up and say that too!
shorttimer
nifong, we are getting very close to agreeing on things. This is scary. Have a nice day
craigeryjohn
Matthew 25:31-46
That's all I have to say.
shorttimer
Since I don't have a bible handy, I have no idea what that says.
Paperpuncher
shorttimer,
All you have to do is google it. I did your homework for you, and here is a website address with the
exact scripture taken from the Bible.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 25:31-46&version=49
Enjoy!
aselene
What this has to do with the thread is unclear to me. But here it is.
The Sheep and the Goats
31'When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in
heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one
from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right
and the goats on his left.
34'Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your
inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and
you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and
you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was
in prison and you came to visit me.'
37'Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and
give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes
and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40'The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
mine, you did for me.'
41'Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire
prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was
thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed
clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44'They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing
clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45'He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did
not do for me.'
46'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'
OldProf
Now that is a progressive point of view, straight from the Bible. I guess that is about as pure socialism
as one could state.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Shorty,
'wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better
conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.' Sonia Sotomayor. She has said this on a
number of occasions. Even President Obama has commented that she may have wanted to choose her
words better.
Don't think it's racist or sexist? Just substiture 'white man' where it says Latina woman and 'Black
woman' where it says white male.
There's no opinion needed here. She stands by her statements. She's a racist sexist.
Dave
OldProf
Let me try again. Sorry if this is a duplicate.
What a progressive statement, and from the Bible as well. I couldn't state the good intentions of
socialism better if I tried. Not a word about personal effort or ability on the part of the 'least of these
brothers.' I guess I don't understand the hard line taken by the conservatives at the far RIght. Aren't
they supposed to be more compasionate and Christian than this old heathen?
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Aselene,
Seems the Black Panthers are eager to make themselves relevent again. Look at this video and know
that these same Panthers admitted guilt but Obama's AG Eric Holder dropped the case. A liberal civil
rights attorney, who witnessed the event said it was the most blatant voter intimidation crime he's
ever seen, and he goes way back.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=213103
I've yet to see or hear a single conservative commentator denounce Bill O'Reilly, for example, for his
incitement to the murder of Dr. George Tiller.
If a O'Reilly commited a crime, then why isn't he being prosecuted. While I think the killing of Dr.
Tiller was wrong, I don't see how O'reilly is culpable by reporting that Dr. Tilly killed viable babies for
money. He late-term aborted 60,000 babies for about $5,000 each some with absolutely rediculous
reasons, made or real.
Just think, Aselene, if YOUR Mom had sought out Dr. Tiller, we wouldn't be having this
conversation, would we?
Dave
PS. Think O'Reilly committed a crime? MAKE A CITIZENS ARREST!
craigeryjohn
Old Prof...my thoughts exactly over the last 10 years or so....
aselene
Quick! Notify Homeland Security! There are black men at the polls!
Ya got me. Looks like the BP are still active after all. Let me know when they start blowing up
federal buildings, burning down churches, and shooting up churches. My point stands unrebutted. In
America, politically motivated violence is a predominantly right-wing problem.
I never said Bill O'Reilly committed a crime. He is a despicable man, a sociopath, utterly without
conscience, and an advocate and supporter of terrorism. He intentionally incited his viewers to
murder, and his incitements paid off. But he stopped just short of committing a crime. He is an
irresponsible broadcaster, and a disgrace to journalism. But he is not technically a criminal.
That the right is okay with O'Reilly's conduct in the Tiller case shows just how far it has sunk, and
the extent to which conservatives find acceptable the atmosphere of terroristic violence their pundit
class is deliberately fomenting. Truly, those on the right who fail to oppose their pundits' bombastic
rhetoric are failing their country, and their purported morals. Violent words lead to violent actions.
Violent conservative rhetoric is as worthy a moral issue as abortion, terrorism, or torture.
aselene
'Now that is a progressive point of view, straight from the Bible. I guess that is about as pure
socialism as one could state.'
Notice too how it even refers to having 'nations' before God. Providing for the poor, and kindness to
prisoners is a *national* duty, not just a matter of personal responsibility, as those on the right would
have us believe.
I care
Well, this is a hot one and should go far!!!! There are many and varied 'opinions', also many 'facts'
put forth in this one; Dave, I do agree with some of your comments, mostly but not all, and a lot of
facts set forth by you and others, and I too vied to give Obama a chance since I certainly did not
want to watch the complete destruction of our Great Country, AMERICA, by anyone else like we had
the last 8 years because Obama's opponent would have finished us off entirely, which, by the way, is
MY opinion, so I think I will just take a standby for a while and see just what happens----this one is P
R E T T Y D E E P!!!!!!!!!! Dave and all the rest of you 'commenters' have a good time and a good
week----bye for now!!!
klank75
i like your last article about hot dogs...mmmmmm hot dogs.......lol.... i will stay in prayer for are
nation and its leaders, no matter their party lines or what is being slung around the media, whethers
its fact and/or crap. 1 timothy 2:1-3 google it.... God bless everyone
shorttimer
aselene I completely agree with you. O'Reilly and those like him are despicable and the words they use
may not be criminal but they are morally criminal and destructive in nature.
I think it is time for the Rolla Daily News to put a little fairness into these columns and have a
weekly commentary from a Liberal. All we get now is the conservative point of view which is always
a blast at the Democrats. If there are two directions to go it would not matter one bit which one
Obama took, Dave would find fault and only because Obama is a Democrat.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
'commentator denounce Bill O'Reilly, for example, for his incitement to the murder of Dr. George
Tiller.'
Aselene,
The above comments are an accusation of a conspiracy to commit murder. You already accused
O'Reilly of a crime. Let's see you put your money where your mouth is and bring charges.
As to the Tiller family, this could be their case against O'Reilly and all the others that reported Tiller
as a 'baby killer.' The problem is that the ultimate defense is the truth and that's exacty what Tiller
did.
'If the Tiller family wants to continue the service to women that George Tiller lived and died for,
they might want to consider a wrongful death civil suit against O'Reilly et. al. and the deep pockets of
FOX and its Aussie master.'
Can't WAIT to see this trial and the relevation of how evil this SOB was.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
'I think it is time for the Rolla Daily News to put a little fairness into these columns and have a
weekly commentary from a Liberal. All we get now is the conservative point of view which is always
a blast at the Democrats. If there are two directions to go it would not matter one bit which one
Obama took, Dave would find fault and only because Obama is a Democrat.'
Fine with me on the first part. I keep looking for some good liberal writers on an international basis.
I'm aquainted with Juan Williams and think he's a nice guy, but I feel confident I could beat him in a
debate, written or otherwise.
My complaint(s) about Obama isn't that he's a Dem, it's that he's a socialist, and socialism has
NEVER worked.
When I thought Bush or McCain were wrong, I wrote about it.
Yeah, bring in a lib writer that can write once a week about notional and international issues. I'd love
it!
BTW., 95% of the callers on my radio show Fridays @ 9:05 AM on 99.7 are like minded although I
BEG libs to call me and show me where I'm wrong.
Whether you like it or not, I know what I'm about and that's in looking for the truth whereever it
comes from.
Dave
aselene
'The above comments are an accusation of a conspiracy to commit murder. You already accused
O'Reilly of a crime.'
That isn't true. The law of conspiracy requires an agreement between two actors to further a common
criminal purpose. I have not accused Mr. O'Reilly of agreeing with anyone to further any criminal
purpose. What's more, I was perfectly clear that Mr. O'Reilly stopped just short of technically
committing any crime. Having reviewed his conduct closely, I have zero doubt, none, that he
consulted closely with lawyers to toe the line as closely as possible to maximize the risk to Mr.
Tiller's life while minimizing his own and Fox's legal liability. It was cowardly, it was evil, and those
who defend it manifest a serious defect of character.
While I don't believe a criminal case could be made against O'Reilly, if Mr. Roeder ever admits he got
information about Mr. Tiller's whereabouts from O'Reilly's program, then I do believe that a strong
case could be made for wrongful death against O'Reilly and Fox News. While under current law it
would be a losing case, I would like to see it litigated, and I would like to see current law revised to
clarify the obligations of broadcasters when it comes to singling out private individuals, broadcasting
their personal information, and repeatedly attacking them with inflammatory rhetoric. A just legal
system would take away from Mr. O'Reilly everything he ever has made, and everything he will ever
possibly make, and give it to Mr. Tiller's family.
Dave Weinbaum replies:
Do you think you might have anything left for the 60,000, yeah Aselene, that's right, the 60,000
babies Tiller had killed for $5000 a pop? And I say killed because the vast majority were late term
abortions capable of living on their own.
Gee, what if YOUR mom had gone to see Tiller? What would you think of THAT Aselene?
Still waiting your comment to the above.
What hypocritical nonesense.
I still say incitinf someone to murder another is a crime, but I could be wrong. Let's ask a prosecutor
or a judge. is there one in the audience? Care to clarify?
Dave
nifong
I ask all to do some research on late term abortion. If anyone is ok with it after learning what the
procedure consists of then I pray for them. Tiller is dead. It all comes out in the wash.
NO! I don't agree with the murder of Tiller, aselene. But what comes around goes around. God has his
own way of doing the wash even though it is hard to understand or accept. Any of us in this discussion
could die and not wake up tomorrow if it is God's plan, like it or not.
Paperpuncher
aselene,
Why are you so bent on trying O'Reilly for supposedly causing the death of Dr. Tiller? Why are you
championing for him? Where were you (for the 60,000 innocent babies) Dr. Tiller murdered? Why
didn't/won't you champion for them? HUH?!?
And I will put to you, your very own words, ' It was cowardly, it was evil, and those who defend it
manifest a serious defect of character. ' AND I will ad, a serious defect of morality for you to ignore
the murders and allow your champion Dr. Tiller to perform such heinous, depraved acts of evil!
OldProf
In general I am against abortion. I am also strongly against unwanted pregnancy. At one extreme I
don't think the woman has to carry a fetus to term as the result of criminal rape, or forced incest. I
don't see abstinence as effective. Promiscuity doesn't contribute much to the stability of society. At
the other extreme, if murmurs of 'I love you' in the back seat of a parked car result in pregnancy,
then live up to your promise, man up and get married, and be the best father and mother you possibly
can. Very large families of wanted and loved children are okay by me, just be satisfied with the level
of care you can provide.
Since Dr. Tiller did not invade homes and murder those unborn persons, I guess the mothers (and
possibly fathers) had reasons for the termination and gave their permission. They went to Dr. Tiller
for a currently legal process. Not actually being the right arm of God, I don't hear voices telling me to
murder doctors performing legal actions, however much I personally am concerned about very late
term abortion.